Curse

Cathode_Reborn · Nov 20, 2007, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by Qdq Swi

Dslash owns Whirlwind... There is no competition between them. Dont care what you say, in no real world is whirlwind better than Dragon Slash. You can preach about it all day, all night till the end of time... But it will still, never be better than simply using Dragon Slash.

Being elite, I'd expect Dslash to be better than Whirlwind. I think it's pretty obvious that there's not much competition between them seeing that they're completely different. The point is they fuel eachother's adren costs, and aoe damage wins pve.

Savio · Nov 20, 2007, 10:41 PM // 22:41

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Originally Posted by Cathode Reborn

The point is they fuel eachother's adren costs, and aoe damage wins pve.

Dslash fuels itself under FGJ or with Brawling Headbutt and Steelfang Slash. Whirlwind may or may not help with adrenaline, and usually ends up taking away from Dslash spamming. In PvE, swords are there to Dslash and spam "Save Yourselves!" If you value AoE attacking, then you use an axe with Triple Chop and Cyclone Axe.

Crom The Pale · Nov 21, 2007, 12:41 AM // 00:41

Whirlwind is a good skill, but you need to know when to use it and you should have some party back up for it, ie splinter weapon.

There is no reason not to take it on a sword war as long as you know when and how to use it most effectively, it is nice to have some fast aoe dmg on your war if your pulling and still be able to deal massive single target dmg with a Dslash build.

yum · Nov 21, 2007, 01:04 AM // 01:04

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Originally Posted by Qdq Swi

IAS = Glued + Mask Taped + Stapled + Sewed to a war build.
Whirlwind = Baed.
Lions Comfort = Baed. Monks heal y'know!
Res Sig = Baed In pvp so throw that out anyway.

Thou art baed.

Coloneh · Nov 21, 2007, 04:08 AM // 04:08

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Originally Posted by Qdq Swi

Whirlwind = Baed.
Lions Comfort = Baed. Monks heal y'know!
Res Sig = Baed In pvp so throw that out anyway.

could you please stop attempting to give advise? it looks as if you mean well, but its very confusing to new players that dont realize which advise is good and which is bad.

Qdq Swi · Nov 21, 2007, 02:30 PM // 14:30

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

could you please stop attempting to give advise? it looks as if you mean well, but its very confusing to new players that dont realize which advise is good and which is bad.

And wasting a perfectly fine skill slot with a res signet is good advice? No.. no, it isnt. Ive beaten factions over 14 times, on several different proffesions, Ive finished both nf and prophecies about 5 times each. When I say Res sigs are bad in pve thats what I mean (well in nm anyway) but then thats obvious because 'new players' wont have access to hm. Self heals and res sigs are a complete waste, its not like anything in nm is going to kill u (considering you have decent heroes and know how to play) which i obviously cant say for you. Although if your a backliner (as in a monk) rebirth is a good skill to have on your bar. but other than that, henches can rez fine, and 2 monk heroes with rebirth makes a total of 6 reses in 1 team which is more than enough. Especially considering that you rarely die if at all in NM pve.

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Originally Posted by yum

Thou art baed.

Thou art noob/ dumb.

Crom The Pale · Nov 21, 2007, 03:32 PM // 15:32

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Originally Posted by Qdq Swi

And wasting a perfectly fine skill slot with a res signet is good advice? No.. no, it isnt. Ive beaten factions over 14 times, on several different proffesions, Ive finished both nf and prophecies about 5 times each. When I say Res sigs are bad in pve thats what I mean (well in nm anyway) but then thats obvious because 'new players' wont have access to hm. Self heals and res sigs are a complete waste, its not like anything in nm is going to kill u (considering you have decent heroes and know how to play) which i obviously cant say for you. Although if your a backliner (as in a monk) rebirth is a good skill to have on your bar. but other than that, henches can rez fine, and 2 monk heroes with rebirth makes a total of 6 reses in 1 team which is more than enough. Especially considering that you rarely die if at all in NM pve.

Thou art noob/ dumb.

Actually I think they are simply trying to point out you said res in PvP is bad, misstype I'm guessing.

Qdq Swi · Nov 21, 2007, 05:19 PM // 17:19

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

Actually I think they are simply trying to point out you said res in PvP is bad, misstype I'm guessing.

O.o I cant believe I wrote PvP LOL... Stupid Keyboard :s. Tis worying that I'd make a mistake like that >_>.

Savio · Nov 21, 2007, 08:31 PM // 20:31

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Originally Posted by Qdq Swi

Although if your a backliner (as in a monk) rebirth is a good skill to have on your bar.

Rebirth on monks is bad. In general PvE play, res sigs are fine.

thor thunder · Nov 21, 2007, 10:02 PM // 22:02

WOW is all i can say.
TO OP. GREAT job seriously its good too see some people arnt cookie cutter =D who cares if you could be doing more dmg if you messing around in a dungeon with H/H run watever build you want! some of the builds you meantioned were sweet tho not the best dmg/energy wise but that dosent always matter. i like the rogborts build thing (spelling) constant on fire sounds funnn. dont let people discourgh you for your creativity.. with out that we never would have had the builds we have now.. 55 for example?? that wasnt handed to use from Anet was it? (well it sorrta was but thats not the point).

To Others. wow try to be friendly.. like seriously GW is one of the most flame games in the world and its geting worse by the day. yes his builds arent elite but there different and creative. What have YOU posted lately? yes when somone posts crap they should be told its crap but i think he got it after the first 3 posts.... say your negitive comments then say some positive or mabey sugjestions then your done its simple and it doesnt take a troll to figure it out, but some of you.. ehh i worry about.

Savio · Nov 21, 2007, 10:11 PM // 22:11

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Originally Posted by thor thunder

dont let people discourgh you for your creativity.. with out that we never would have had the builds we have now.. 55 for example??

55 is a result of optimization, not creativity.

Dr Strangelove · Nov 21, 2007, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by thor thunder

To Others. wow try to be friendly.. like seriously GW is one of the most flame games in the world and its geting worse by the day.

Would you prefer we told him his piece of crap was a diamond?

Qdq Swi · Nov 21, 2007, 10:47 PM // 22:47

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Originally Posted by thor thunder

then say some positive or mabey sugjestions then your done its simple.

Its creative... Hmm... lets think of another couple of positives.... Hmm... Sorry, nop, just can't come up with any.

Necromas · Nov 21, 2007, 10:54 PM // 22:54

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Originally Posted by thor thunder

.. like seriously GW is one of the most flame games in the world and its geting worse by the day.

You know, for some reason that only seems to hold true here and on a few other sites.

iridescentfyre · Nov 22, 2007, 03:29 AM // 03:29

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Originally Posted by thor thunder

To Others. wow try to be friendly.. like seriously GW is one of the most flame games in the world and its geting worse by the day.

Inevitably, one option out of the many that Guild Wars offers has to be the best. If you're not using it, fine, have fun doing what you're doing. Just don't be surprised when others are less than supportive of it. Creativity is fantastic. But this is not art, this is a game where your skill bar is meant to matter less than your individual playing ability. Thus you should make it the best skill bar it can be for the current meta and differentiate yourself by being better at playing it. Running a creative build just because its creative just introduces a handicap.

But whatever, you have the option to run whatever you like.

Coloneh · Nov 22, 2007, 04:24 AM // 04:24

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Originally Posted by Qdq Swi

And wasting a perfectly fine skill slot with a res signet is good advice? No.. no, it isnt. Ive beaten factions over 14 times, on several different proffesions, Ive finished both nf and prophecies about 5 times each. When I say Res sigs are bad in pve thats what I mean (well in nm anyway) but then thats obvious because 'new players' wont have access to hm. Self heals and res sigs are a complete waste, its not like anything in nm is going to kill u (considering you have decent heroes and know how to play) which i obviously cant say for you. Although if your a backliner (as in a monk) rebirth is a good skill to have on your bar. but other than that, henches can rez fine, and 2 monk heroes with rebirth makes a total of 6 reses in 1 team which is more than enough. Especially considering that you rarely die if at all in NM pve.

like I said before. stop trying to give advise. its kinda silly. It dosnt matter how many times you have beaten the campaigns, how many characters you have, how many builds you know, if you havent learned anything about the game.

play a monk once. wait, play a decent monk once. you have the disturbing philosophy of may players that have never played a monk. monks are not your bitch. monks are not there to stop every scrap of damage you take. monks are not there to heal you every time you take damage. monks are not there to rebirth you every two minutes. monks are there to mop up the extra damage that a self-heal cant handle for the entire team. this is a team game, try playing as a team member sometime.

Magikarp · Nov 22, 2007, 05:18 AM // 05:18

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Originally Posted by thor thunder

WOW is all i can say.
TO OP. GREAT job seriously its good too see some people arnt cookie cutter =D who cares if you could be doing more dmg if you messing around in a dungeon with H/H run watever build you want! some of the builds you meantioned were sweet tho not the best dmg/energy wise but that dosent always matter. i like the rogborts build thing (spelling) constant on fire sounds funnn. dont let people discourgh you for your creativity.. with out that we never would have had the builds we have now.. 55 for example?? that wasnt handed to use from Anet was it? (well it sorrta was but thats not the point).

To Others. wow try to be friendly.. like seriously GW is one of the most flame games in the world and its geting worse by the day. yes his builds arent elite but there different and creative. What have YOU posted lately? yes when somone posts crap they should be told its crap but i think he got it after the first 3 posts.... say your negitive comments then say some positive or mabey sugjestions then your done its simple and it doesnt take a troll to figure it out, but some of you.. ehh i worry about.

amen, i love seeing people actually role play in GWs.

nice job to the OP.

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ts creative... Hmm... lets think of another couple of positives.... Hmm... Sorry, nop, just can't come up with any.

sorry, i just plain don't like you. res sig bad? there's no time where res sig is bad, never. you're rude, annoying, and no matter how many times you say you're so good, you post nonsense to clearly place you otherwise.

btw.. no one cares if you beat the games. here's a secret, they aren't hard.

Qdq Swi · Nov 22, 2007, 09:06 AM // 09:06

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

like I said before. stop trying to give advise. its kinda silly. It dosnt matter how many times you have beaten the campaigns, how many characters you have, how many builds you know, if you havent learned anything about the game.

play a monk once. wait, play a decent monk once. you have the disturbing philosophy of may players that have never played a monk. monks are not your bitch. monks are not there to stop every scrap of damage you take. monks are not there to heal you every time you take damage. monks are not there to rebirth you every two minutes. monks are there to mop up the extra damage that a self-heal cant handle for the entire team. this is a team game, try playing as a team member sometime.

Ive played as a decent monk tyvm, Not once has a hero complained. Ive learnt more about the game than you ever will, I could write a book about the game, I could write a 7 paged essay at how dumb your advise is. With 4 henches with 4 rez sigs and 3 heroes with a res each (doesnt matter which proffesion) 7 reses are by far enough to acheive anything in NM pve.

If your un-skilled enough and have to take a PUG to complete a pheonomenaly easy mission in NM and expect deaths while doing so, you SHOULD bring a res. But if you know how to play, know what to do, have half the average IQ there is no proper reason why you need a res sig in PvE on your bar.

If you are SO terrible at the game, and do die over 7 times in each area, then Im sorry... YOU SUCK and should GTFO.

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Originally Posted by Magikarp

they aren't hard.

Exactly, thats why res sigs in NM PvE is just dumb and useless, you could put that skill slot to a better use than carrying a res that goes unused with you.

Ben-A-BoO · Nov 22, 2007, 09:28 AM // 09:28

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Originally Posted by Qdq Swi

... thats why res sigs in NM PvE is just dumb and useless ...

Erhm, since when decides a res sig over how "no0b" one is in pve?

This discussion is disqualifying yourself. And you know why? Because this is pve where builds like the ones the OP posted are viable ... in NM anyway: It's about fun you see and not about "how 1337" someone is beating the game 20 thousand times without a res in your bar.

And honestly how often do you actively use 8 skills in your bar? Why not take utility on spot 6 7 8? Why not take one of the best utility skills in the game with you? = Resurrection Signet ftw!

On topic:
The builds look fun and I like the lore you warped around them ... inspiring.

Cheers,
Timebandit

Stormlord Alex · Nov 22, 2007, 01:42 PM // 13:42

Aaah, a res sig debate?
Hmmm.

My mind has changed since GW:EN. Res sigs are kinda... usless, tbh, for PvE.
DPSig on me heroes can mop up all the deaths that a res sig would've been used on. And if we wipe with no Res shrine, then I carry a Res scroll (not that I've used them much at all).

There's far too many great skills - powerful PvE skills - for a human player to be wasting a skill on Res Sig. And we have scrolls and heroes to be DPSig biatches.

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Originally Posted by Ensign over in the ele forum

I haven't put a res on my Ele's bar in a long time, and the situations where I will put a res on my bar are pretty rare now.

The experiment that I did that justified this decision, and that you can repeat to see if it's the same for you, goes something like this:

Take the Res off of your bar and take a full rack of 8 skills. This is particularly valuable now that you get 3, usually very good PvE skills to play with. To compensate, go and craft, or do the quest for, a Resurrection Scroll. Put it somewhere easily accessible in your inventory. Note how long you're playing before you feel compelled to pop the Scroll.

In my case, the scroll lasted 3 days, well over 10 hours of play - and then I didn't use it, but stuffed it back into storage because I was tired of it chewing up an inventory slot.

At least in Eye of the North, or in the various endgame PvE areas, player ressigs are a waste of skillslots. I think you want 3, maybe 4 hard resses on a team, some combination of Signet of Return and Death Pact Signet for the most part. DPS and Signet of Return are good enough replacements for Ressigs that you simply don't use the sigs ever; the situation where you would be compelled to use a ressig is when all the hard resses are dead, the team has likely wiped, and you're trying to pick up the pieces so you can continue.

Except that simply isn't relevant in any of the content I've done. When that many people have died in EotN it's much more expedient to simply shrine res; the 'run around and piece together a res chain' tactic is irrelevant when doing Four Horsemen or the holdout. Unless I was going to be one of the 3 hard resses (I.E., I don't have heroes to do it) then there's no point in me taking a res at all.

If I was trying to do a mission with no time sensitivity, and I was really worried about wipe recovery, I'd put a couple scrolls in inventory and be done with it. Unless you want to be a hard res anchor, take a full rack of eight skills - ressigs are completely obsolete.

However, for most PvP... Res sig is a given.
There's no one skill on your bar that's worth 8 of someone else's.
There's no one skill that can turn the tide of battle as much as having another player.

... that's my feelings on the whole Res Sig thing.